[gridengine users] Which Grid Engine?

LaoTsao laotsao at gmail.com
Fri Sep 9 16:25:20 UTC 2011


sorry it is me that mixup the copyright and copyright reassignment


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Hung-Sheng Tsao ( LaoTsao) Ph.D

On Sep 9, 2011, at 12:21, Ron Chen <ron_chen_123 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- On Sat, 9/10/11, William Bryce <bbryce at univa.com> wrote:
>> Hi Ron, 
>> 
>> I suggest you take your 'tin foil hat off' Ron. 
> 
> Hmm, so you were claiming me starting a flame war. Guess who is doing it now?
> 
> In other successful open source projects, there is transparency. With Univa not disclosing what is open and what is close, I don't think we can should continue this "working together" discussion or even bring it up again in the near future.
> 
> -Ron
> 
> 
>> Initially we thought that we should ask
>> people to assign copyright to Univa if they want to include
>> fixes  but we continued to discuss and we were
>> discussing that if we do have copyright assignment that it
>> be assigned to an 'independent 3rd party' i.e. not Univa but
>> something that we all have a stake in.  
>> 
>> But you can believe what you want to believe Ron.
>> 
>> Bill.
>> 
>> On 2011-09-09, at 11:44 AM, Ron Chen wrote:
>> 
>>> Bill, please stop misleading the list. This is EXACTLY
>> this kind of tactics that I am against.
>>> 
>>> I am not talking about not putting copyright to my
>> code (my code is under SISSL, and Univa Grid Engine has 10
>> features that were developed by me.)
>>> 
>>> What I was referring to is copyright reassignment. You
>> have requested me to reassign the copyright of my code to
>> Univa not long ago, I am suprised that you could mix up the
>> two.
>>> 
>>> -Ron
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --- On Fri, 9/9/11, William Bryce <bbryce at univa.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> I agree with Hung-Sheng, 
>>>> 
>>>> You should put copyright on your code, and in
>> regards to
>>>> Ron's comments.  I won't comment - Ron can
>> have a flame
>>>> war with himself :-)
>>>> 
>>>> Bill.
>>>> 
>>>> On 2011-09-09, at 11:22 AM, LaoTsao wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> IMHO, every code need copy right
>>>>> especial someone else try to make $ out of
>> your code
>>>>> my 2c
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> Hung-Sheng Tsao ( LaoTsao) Ph.D
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 9, 2011, at 10:40, Ron Chen <ron_chen_123 at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Mark Dixon <m.c.dixon at leeds.ac.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm still a bit fuzzy on what
>> differentiates
>>>> the efforts,
>>>>>>> and am concerned that the projects
>> might not
>>>> be pulling in a
>>>>>>> common direction to benefit the
>> community as a
>>>> whole.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In fact our existance benefits the
>> community --
>>>> did you know that we fixed the memory accounting
>> bug on
>>>> Linux in the Open Grid Scheduler back in Aug last
>> year, and
>>>> Son of Grid Engine copied our fix? And Univa Grid
>> Engine
>>>> 8.0.0 still has that bug *as of today*, and its
>> customers
>>>> need to wait for 8.0.1 to get a fix.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And I hightly doubt Univa would put as
>> much effort
>>>> as it is now and add the hwloc support into the
>> open core if
>>>> we did not announce our hwloc support back in
>> April:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://gridscheduler.sourceforge.net/projects/hwloc/GridEnginehwloc.html
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also, I strongly believe that Univa will
>> now put
>>>> more effort in to get GPU integration, IPv6
>> support, SGI MPT
>>>> integration, etc into the open core ASAP as we are
>> working
>>>> on those features in Open Grid Scheduler.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When there is no competition, most
>> businesses tend
>>>> not to work hard to gain market share - and I
>> don't think
>>>> Univa is different.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Isn't this what the steering committee
>> was
>>>> aiming to improve?
>>>>>>> As far as I can see, there's been no
>> news
>>>> posted to
>>>>>>> gridengine.org since February.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The page is old, and Stephen Dennis quited
>> Univa
>>>> as well.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm not trying to have a go at anyone,
>> I think
>>>> everyone
>>>>>>> wants what is best for the community:
>> I'm just
>>>> hoping for a
>>>>>>> bit more constructive discussion about
>> what
>>>> that might be
>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have a tendency not to trust companies,
>> as a lot
>>>> of them are somewhat dishonest and lack of
>> integrity in
>>>> order to gain a customer or two. I have not
>> totally written
>>>> off Univa yet, but what Univa posted on the
>> website about
>>>> open source Grid Engine is not true (and the ones
>> most piss
>>>> me off are "UGE Wins Hands Down" & "Free Grid
>> Engine
>>>> isn't Free"?) -- so at this point working with
>> Univa is out
>>>> of the question.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And even outout the stupid market tactics,
>> Univa
>>>> is never clear what would be put in the open core
>> and what
>>>> is closed source. I am not signing the copy right
>> assignment
>>>> - they can continue to copy my code and feature as
>> they
>>>> wanted.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Ron
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> Mark Dixon     
>>    
>>>>     
>>>>>>>       
>>>>     Email    :
>>>>>>> m.c.dixon at leeds.ac.uk
>>>>>>> HPC/Grid Systems Support 
>>>>     
>>>>>>>     Tel (int): 35429
>>>>>>> Information Systems Services 
>>>>     Tel
>>>>>>> (ext): +44(0)113 343 5429
>>>>>>> University of Leeds, LS2 9JT, UK
>>>>>>> 
>>>> 
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